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Mar. 21, 1994: Interview:Hillary Rodham Clinton
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TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1994
Mar. 21, 1994 Hard Times For Hillary
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<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
INTERVIEW, Page 38
"Yes, We Made Lots Of Mistakes"
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<body>
<p>Clearing the air with Hillary Rodham Clinton
By Ann Blackman and Nina Burleigh
</p>
<p> Hillary Rodham Clinton
</p>
<p> The First Lady met for 30 minutes last Saturday with Ann Blackman
and Nina Burleigh to discuss Whitewater and its effect on herself
and her family. Excerpts:
</p>
<p> TIME: As a private citizen, under a potential legal cloud, you
have an interest in not disclosing information. But as the First
Lady, you have a responsibility to be candid about Whitewater.
Which comes first?
</p>
<p> Clinton: We have been candid. We have been candid all the way
through this. We made an investment decision that lost money.
We did the best we could, always, to be as straightforward on
this as we could, based on what we knew. We have fully cooperated
with the grand jury, with the special counsel; we have been
more than open and candid. We have not denied any documents,
we have claimed no privilege. But for years, now, we've been
asked questions that we don't know the answers to. We did not
run the company, we did not make its decisions, we did not have
its documents or its record. So we could not answer many of
your questions anyway. We did the very best we could with what
we knew.
</p>
<p> TIME: Jim McDougal [head of the Madison S&L] claims that your
Whitewater contribution was $13,000, not the $69,000 cited in
the 1992 Lyons report on Whitewater commissioned by your husband.
</p>
<p> Clinton: Jim didn't have any documents. He can recall only from
his memory.
</p>
<p> TIME: Do you think you may have overdeducted on your income
tax in those years?
</p>
<p> Clinton: Well, we don't know. We don't believe so, but during
the Lyons report, they brought to our attention two deductions
that were supported in documents which we had but were contradicted
in documents we had never seen until they were collected for
that report. And once that was brought to our attention, we
paid back, because we're not out to take any advantage of anybody.
We are only able to act on the knowledge we had at the time.
But there were activities that we didn't know anything about
that have only recently been brought to our attention. And as
we gather more information, we will act appropriately, as we
did based on the information we had at a previous time.
</p>
<p> TIME: How do you respond to questions of conflicts of interest
raised by your representation of Madison?
</p>
<p> Clinton: I don't know of any charges other than this incident
arising out of a limited representation I had of Madison in
which a request for a legal opinion was made to the [Arkansas]
securities commissioner. I don't know of any other legitimate
claims; now there are lots of illegitimate claims floating around
these days, and apparently you can say anything these days and
get somebody to prove it. We're trying to break through all
that and get to what the facts are.
</p>
<p> TIME: If Congress asks you to testify, will you?
</p>
<p> Clinton: We'll have to see if that's what Congress decides to
do.
</p>
<p> TIME: Did you make any mistakes?
</p>
<p> Clinton: My goodness. We made lots of mistakes. We never should
have made the investment for one. And I suppose the other big
mistake that I made was not appreciating how other people view
this when I knew we had done everything we knew to make good
on obligations, like paying property taxes and other things,
to try to be as careful as possible. So yes, we made lots of
mistakes and obviously wish we hadn't. But those are things
you look at in retrospect. We didn't do anything wrong. We never
intended to do anything wrong.
</p>
<p> TIME: Why did you oppose naming a special counsel?
</p>
<p> Clinton: Well, there were no allegations of wrongdoing against
the President or me. There were lots of wild and unsubstantiated
stories that are filled with hurtful claims about people.
</p>
<p> TIME: How do you and your husband explain this to each other?
</p>
<p> Clinton: I just tell him that I'm very sad that this kind of
situation has occurred and that I'm sure we could have handled
it differently or better. I know when all is said and done there's
nothing in this whole Whitewater situation except a lot of confused
documents that...will be put into some sensible order and
presented to the world when the special counsel gets done. So
I don't even worry about that.
</p>
<p> TIME: And Chelsea?
</p>
<p> Clinton: She doesn't need an explanation. She is fully aware
of what happens in politics. With it comes a lot of the worst
that human nature has to offer. We've been telling her that
since she was six.
</p>
<p> TIME: What effect does this have on you?
</p>
<p> Clinton: I feel, on most days, good about what I'm doing, but
on other days I get down like anybody else. People can lie about
you on a regular basis and you have to take it. That's very
hurtful. Then when you stop and think that now that we're in
public life at the level we are, we have no protection against
any of that.
</p>
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